TV Republika has released new excerpts from secret recordings—this time, conversations between Roman Giertych and various journalists, including… Michał Kamiński. The topic: how to promote a message in the media that could help the Polish People’s Party (PSL) attract voters away from Law and Justice (PiS).
Giertych’s Father Wrote a Letter – New Recordings Revealed
In 2019, ahead of the parliamentary elections, the website natemat.pl, owned by Tomasz Lis, published a letter by Maciej Giertych, the father of Roman Giertych. It began:
“Dear Fellow Citizens,
We are approaching the most important elections in years. Out of a sense of civic duty, I would like to warn all my compatriots against voting for Law and Justice (PiS). I am writing specifically to lay Catholics in our country because, unfortunately, the guidance they are receiving from the hierarchy, priests, and Catholic media is misguided and intrudes—often arrogantly—into the sphere of lay freedom.”
Today, TV Republika disclosed behind-the-scenes discussions regarding the publication of this letter. These include a recorded conversation between Tomasz Lis and Roman Giertych.
But not only that—Giertych also spoke with Michał Kamiński, now a member of parliament for the Civic Coalition (KO), about how to publicize his father’s letter.
There were several conversations, during which the following was said:
Conversation 1:
Giertych: It’s because the Civic Platform has shifted so far to the left that there’s no one willing to just hit back, plain and simple.
Kamiński: Yeah, that’s true.
Giertych: And PSL is too quiet.
Kamiński: Yes, PSL is too quiet.
Giertych: Kosiniak said he really liked the letter.
Kamiński: That’s because I sent it to him. Or maybe you did as well. I sent it to him right after you gave it to me.
Giertych: Then that explains it. He forwarded it to me… But they should really do something to reach those people, because they live in a media bubble.
Conversation 2:
Giertych: Hello, Misiu?
Kamiński: Listen, I’ve sent it to the entire PSL leadership, to Kidawa, and to every journalist I have in my personal contacts—people worth reaching out to, like Dominika Wielowieyska. She may be on the other end of the spectrum, but she still feels a connection to Catholicism through her father. It’s a different model of Catholicism, but they think similarly. I’ll tell you honestly, the text is very moving.
Conversation 3:
Kamiński: I need to send it to Kazek Sowa and Father Andrzej Luter—they’re two enlightened Catholic priests we know.
Giertych: I’m wondering how we can get it featured in Catholic forums.
Kamiński: Well, there’s Terlikowski—you’re friends with him, aren’t you?
Giertych: Friends… that’s a strong word.
Kamiński: But you know what, I’ll send it to Kazek Sowa right away. I’m glad you reminded me. Honestly, don’t take this the wrong way, but your father has far greater Catholic credibility than you. You’re much more politically tied to the opposition than he is, right?
Giertych: He’s not involved with the opposition at all. I mean, he’s a historian—you know about the synod of bishops…
Kamiński: Right. But this really hits the mark. Not to mention that it raises a very poignant, though sad, point about the economy. From a journalistic perspective, it’s quite innovative. It essentially offers the opposition a guide on what to say: that PiS’s social policies ultimately harm those they claim to help. I would even add that, just as nationalist policies often hurt the very nations they claim to protect, so too do these economic policies. Just look at what happened to German women in the eastern territories of the Reich…
Conversation 4:
Kamiński: I’m now sending this to Kazek Sowa and Andrzej Luter, who are both very active on liberal-Catholic platforms.
Giertych: You know who you should get involved if he isn’t already doing anything? What’s Piłka up to?
Kamiński: Oh, Marian Piłka? He’s probably running for some fringe group like Confederation, but he’s bashing PiS on Facebook like crazy—just absolutely hammering them. I’ll send it to him now.
Giertych: That crowd knows the Catholic forums better than anyone.
Kamiński: I’m sending it to Marian now.
Giertych: This could really strike a nerve—this kind of appeal to conscience, making people feel like they’ll regret their vote…
Kamiński: But listen, it’s not just the message that matters here—it’s the messenger. You understand? In those circles, your father’s authority is untouchable. End of story. That’s something you don’t have, simply because of your direct political involvement.
Giertych: I’ve never been as deeply rooted in Catholic circles as he was. I was a politician, but he was vice-chair of the Primate’s Council.
Kamiński: That’s an entirely different standing.
Giertych: He was the only lay auditor at the synod—a very rare role, and that particular synod was dedicated to the role of the laity. So it was significant.